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Subject:The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: JLim Thu, Oct 12, 2017 IP: 101.164.192.17



To all

I note to my surprise that there is already a "Second Edition" of Anthony J Allen's "Detection Of Fakes" book. Can anyone in the know tell me what the difference is from the first edition, which I already have?

Kind regards
Jonathan

Subject:Re: The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Fri, Oct 13, 2017

Hi Jonathan,
The second edition has a chapter on red wares which I had hoped to include in the first edition, but was thwarted in my intention by the loss of some images which I was awaiting before printing.

They turned up soon after I had finished the printing and rather than try and weave them into the text, I added them as an appendage.

The book registry in Wellington required me to obtain a new ISBN, so the first edition you have is considerably rarer than the second edition currently selling.

Regards
Tony

Subject:Re: The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: JLim Sun, Oct 15, 2017



Thank you for your response Mr Allen.

Subject:Re: The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: JLim Sun, Oct 15, 2017



Dear Mr Allen

Speaking of red wares: I have always identified the pictured red yuhuchunping vase as late 19th century because of the principles stated in your first book (ie the chipped glaze at the foot and the green cream glaze inside the footrim). Would you concur with this view?

Kind regards
Jonathan Lim







Subject:Re: The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Mon, Oct 16, 2017

Hi Jonathan,
I hesitate to give an opinion given the disparity in colors between the three images.
If readers want an informed opinion, it is critical that they supply:
1. Full frontal images that accurately show the color hues
2. A close-up of the underside
3. A close-up of the foot rim
4. A close-up of any marks
5. Dimensions
6. Condition
7. Where purchased
8. Price paid

Several contributors including Bill H and Rat have regularly stressed the same requirements, perhaps excluding 7 & 8.

Your vase appears to have misfired, making it even more difficult to appraise from poor quality photos.

Perhaps Bill H and Rat will share their opinion.
Regards
Tony

Subject:Re: The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: JLim Tue, Oct 17, 2017



Dear Mr Allen

I have borrowed my mother's phone to permit more useful images. Three of them follow and I will put the remaining three in a final message.

The dimensions of the yuhuchunping are as follows: Height 208mm, Width 110mm.

The condition of the object is perfect, aside from splintering of the glaze at the foot where object has presumably been prized from sagger. The surface of the glaze is a little rougher than it would have been new due to wear. There is no misfiring that I can see. There is a strange black mark in the foot-circle like Chinese ink, which does not wipe off.

The place of purchase was not in Asia, if that is the concern. It was a local auction at Thornleigh NSW which occurred on 12 August 2012. From my records it cost $AU55.10.

I hope the following images are sufficient for your purpose. Thank you kindly for your time; I have further images of a monochrome blue dish I just got if you have time to comment.

Kind regards
JLim







Subject:Re: The Detection Of Fakes 2nd Edition
Posted By: JLim Tue, Oct 17, 2017



The final three photographs.








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